Curse

tmakinen · Jun 16, 2008, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Assuming that the Chaos Planes run would need nerf bat (which is a not entirely unfounded assumption since it is currently providing an income rate way beyond the 10k/hour limit that the game tries to enforce through Loot Scaling), then the minimal nerf that would access just the particular problem without severe side effects would be to add 1 or 2 mobs of patrolling Charged Blacknesses to Twin Serpent Mountains so that it wouldn't be possible to run through without getting in close contact with those nasties. Normal teams wouldn't even notice the difference but for any solo character they would pose a formidable obstacle. Get shocked while trying to renew SF = gg.

It is possible to solo 2 or 3 Charged Blacknesses but in order to do so you must be either (a) skilled and/or (b) lucky, or (c) gimping your build just for them. In every case the profitability of Chaos Planes farming would be affected.

Productivity · Jun 16, 2008, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Sypherious

26 months, lol, maybe its because i didnt start farming ectos until like 6 months in.

If you've truly been playing that long, you'll remember ectos at 15k+

N1ghtstalker · Jun 16, 2008, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Shit, and no "nerf VwK farm build" threads yet, crazy world, eh?

smites have a lower droprate then the mindblades
a chaos planes farm takes as long as a VwK run but on the chaos planes you earn about 5 ectos per run
in the old VwK run you get 1 ecto per run if you get lucky

BlackSephir · Jun 16, 2008, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

smites have a lower droprate then the mindblades
a chaos planes farm takes as long as a VwK run but on the chaos planes you earn about 5 ectos per run
in the old VwK run you get 1 ecto per run if you get lucky

I think you're missing the point and that does not surprise me.
VwK farms ectos. Perma SF farms ectos. So you want to nerf it because it's better at farming ectos than other builds.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 16, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I think you're missing the point and that does not surprise me.
VwK farms ectos. Perma SF farms ectos. So you want to nerf it because it's better at farming ectos than other builds.

VwK doesn't ruin the economy even more
permasin does

DarkGanni · Jun 16, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

/notsigned

Perma SF was possible BEFORE the buff, using Arcane Echo. People have been farming ecto in Chaos Plains for AGES, and it hasn't affected the price at ALL.

QFT ^^

Here's my stand on SF:

Yesterday did 1 run with 0 ectos and I killed ALL mindblades...and now tell me WHAT is ANet supposed to NERF if the drop rate is already low?

People think that each run a crapload of ectos drop, I do it barely once a day and I can tell you the droprates suck already.

Stop being big babies about SF as it's not the only farming build. This is just another thread for an SF nerf.

I'm having Dejavu's already, this is gonna be like the nerf ursan this nerf ursan there thread.

I'll say what I said in the other threads, If you think SF is wrong don't use it.

The Main ppl complaining about it are those idiots who think ecto is a currency and those who have e-peen weapons.

And that's all I have to say.

BlackSephir · Jun 16, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

VwK doesn't ruin the economy even more
permasin does

I like your facts. How about the fact that even with perma sf ecto price hasn't changed?

Rushin Roulette · Jun 16, 2008, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Id semi sign this.

The problem is perma SF was possble before (its now just been made a lot easier).

However the [Signet of disenchantment] idea will not work (you would need at least 2 foes to target the sin to make it usefull (strip Fire attunement and then SF).

Maybe put a few clones of the Duuhm brothers onto the chaos plains who have a 0 att. [Signet of humility]. However that will only stop the farmers who do not know how to keep their cool (SF has more than 1 second leeway).

UB seems to have had much less of an impatc on the ecto price than the SF buff has done (prices have gone from easily 20e for 100K to a difficult sale at 22 or even 23e for 100K). The trader prices have stoped hanging around 5,5K per ecto to buy to hanging closer to 4,5K per ecto. Its not really gaembreaking yet, and I expect the prices to rise again after favor has been lost... but until then I expect prices to go down even more (much like Obsidian shards have dropped from 2,xK to 1,1K).

I wouldnt sign it for the reason to stop farmers from being able to farm... but so that farmers would be required to use their brains and learn/make new builds to do the same thing (or to make it a duo run like the old 55 Solo farmer has been stopped)

Yawgmoth · Jun 16, 2008, 04:14 PM // 16:14

Wrong way.

The problem is not this 1 farming run, the problem is much bigger than that. The problem is having 1 absurdly overpowered skill that can allow farming just about everything and much more efficient than any other farming builds.

But still, mindblades could receive a buff, they're just pathetic flying bags of ectos waiting to get farmed in hundreds.

/vote nerf SF and other imba skills first, then look at specific farming spots if they're still a problem.

Kanyatta · Jun 16, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

The Main ppl complaining about it are those idiots who think ecto is a currency

Hate to break it to you, but "those idiots" are actually correct. Ecto is a trading medium and has been virtually since the beginning.

tmakinen · Jun 16, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

The problem is having 1 absurdly overpowered skill that can allow farming just about everything and much more efficient than any other farming builds.

Well, no. Last time I checked SF did not disable Loot Scaling which limits all solo farming to a certain hourly rate, with the exception of an exempt list. The Chaos Planes run is more or less the only one which violates guidelines because ecto is on the list and the expected amount of ecto per hour is much higher than anywhere else. An adjustment of ecto drop probability would put this run back in line.

Overall, it doesn't matter how invincible you are (most farming builds are invincible for the given target) because the efficiency of all builds is capped by Loot Scaling.

Rushin Roulette · Jun 16, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Actually that is not true tmakinen. Ectos are rare materials and Anet has stated that materials, rare materials and collectable drops are exept from loot scaling

... but they also said that loot scaling is no more and there is no farming code... if you ask them.. then the CIA killed Kenedy aswell, but thats another story

MithranArkanere · Jun 16, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

No. Not collectible drops.

White, blue, purple, gold and trophies are affected by lootscalling.

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 16, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

/signed

to those of you who say that the planes have always been farmable yes that is true but now its so easy a monkey could do it which is bad for the economy. Back before the nerf it actually took a little skill to keep SF up forever now its pretty easy.

Bowstring Badass · Jun 16, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Seriously just give the spectres leech signet. Then they would just interrupt everything and you would die. That would be the logical solution.

sykoone · Jun 16, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Here's my take on all this mess. Before the SF buff, ectos were hovering around 5.5k. They are currently at 4.8k each, after about three weeks of SF farming. It's not that big of a drop. Also keep in mind, a lot of the sins are out there just to get fow armor, chaos gloves, or high end goods. If they were dedicated farmers, they would have been using a/me with arcane long ago. Give it time, maybe a month or so more, and a majority of the new farmers will get bored, and go do something else, and the ecto market will stabilize again.

Furthermore, for all the people screaming for a nerf, stop and think for a minute. Do you really think Anet didn't expect people to flood UW after the buff? It was done for a reason. Even with the mistakes they've made in the past, the devs surely aren't stupid enough to make buffs like this and not know what it would do to the economy.

januscht · Jun 16, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by sykoone

the devs surely aren't stupid enough to make buffs like this and not know what it would do to the economy.

how are you sure about it? /rofl

Bowstring Badass · Jun 16, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by januscht

how are you sure about it? /rofl

Not only is this post useless...

But the devs should have known making perma shadow doable was going to make some kind of crash.

But whats even worse is the nerf uw farm is just as bad as ursan now. lulz

HawkofStorms · Jun 17, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I like your facts. How about the fact that even with perma sf ecto price hasn't changed?

Actually, they have. Prices of shards have gone up becasue people who are overfarming UW with perma sin to buy FoW armor are buying their shards from the trader to get enough for the armor.

People always forget that the ectos need to be sold to the trader to cause a price change. A lack of a price change at the trader doesn't mean the ectos aren't all over the place, it just means people are hoarding them more.

Chthon · Jun 17, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by sykoone

Furthermore, for all the people screaming for a nerf, stop and think for a minute. Do you really think Anet didn't expect people to flood UW after the buff? It was done for a reason. Even with the mistakes they've made in the past, the devs surely aren't stupid enough to make buffs like this and not know what it would do to the economy.

Exactly.

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